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so now we stand before you and worship you, the god who answers prayer. arise, o god, hear, show mercy and turn this nation to you, we pray. in jesus' name, break in -- break in at this moment, as we lift our voices all across america. come, lord, hear from heaven and intervene, in jesus' name, we pray. >> liberals are debating whether or not it's smart and ethical to have a mandate without a public option. on the jim demint and sam brownback side of the aisle, they are approaching this rather differently, as you can see here. lou ingall gallingal is founder president of a group called call to conscience as we reported last knight. it describes itself as a movement to bring holiness and purity back to america. >> what happened in california will release a spirit that is more demonic than islam, a
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spirit of lawlessness and anarchy and a sexual insanity will be unleashed into the earth. >> it is mr. sexual insanity here who presidential hopefuls like senator jim demint and senator sam brownback have turned to as their interlock tore for killing health care reform maybe not by voting it down maybe not by delaying or getting liberals to fight each other over it but killing health care reform through god's intervention. . >> if we have the government making decisions about the most personal and private part of our lives, it is so naive to think that that coverage is not going to include a number of things that cause people of faith a lot of heartburn, whether it's funding abortions, whether it's rationing care, whether it's funding medical marijuana, whether it's euthanasia. >> funding abortions, rationing care, medical marijuana and
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killing people, none of which is actually in the bill. >> the democrat leadership wants to fund abortion in this bill and it's real tragic because abortion is not health care. >> it's not about health care. it's about government control. >> tales a debate about life or death. >> also not actually talking about what else in the bill. but as off the wall as those senators 'claims sound about health reform, the senators often sounded almost rational next to the other leaders of this national prayer cast. >> most people would agree with this statement. i am satisfied with my own health care. i think it costs too much. and i'm concerned about people that don't have health insurance. >> i think that about milk, though. i think i pay too much for it but i like it. >> and that penetrating interviewer's name is tony perkins, the president of the family research council, which doesn't just produce prayer casts against health reform. they also produce broadcast ads against health care reform.
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>> they won't pay for my surgery. but we're forced to pay for abortions. >> the family research council's tony perkins was joined at the prayer cast against health reform by james dobson of focus on the family. mr. dobbson phoned it in literally to the anti-prayer reform prayer cast and gave his own interpretation of what he thinks the health reform bill would do. >> heavenly father, that the principles of righteousness that you've taught us are just being abandoned now by our governmental leaders. and if they prevail in the measures that they're now considering, even more babies will die, more than a million already have. and in other measures, the institution of marriage itself will be destroyed. >> it's amazing that they found room in the health reform bill to abolish marriage. i mean, what with all the room
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taken up in the bill killing the babies and the expensive milk taken away. >> we cannot fall for this idea that we need to keep our faith in the closet and let the country go its own secular way. >> not falling for that old separation of church and state cunard even as congresswoman michele bachmann praise in this case for power. >> for us leaders of this country, lord, i pray as a stand-in for myself, i pray as a stand-in for others, lord, who may not have looked to you in all your ways, father, as leaders. father, we want to represent you in the way that we should. and so, lord, i ask for forgiveness for that in our own country. lord, we know that we have failed and we haven't done as we should. so that's why now, lord, we ask for your forgiveness and we repent and we turn from that. and we say, oh, lord, we deserve your wrath, but would you yet
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give our nation mercy? we ask for your mercy. we cry out to you, oh, god. this is our moment. this is our time. lord, we are at the end of ourselves and now we need you. >> we're at the end of ourselves and now we need you. and now -- i'm not sure what we need. but we have had a bit of a revelation about some of the less well known opposition to health reform. we will have much, much, much more on that in just a moment. (announcer) they've been tested, built and driven like no other. and now they're being offered like no other. come to the winter event and get an exceptional offer on the mercedes-benz of your dreams. it's our way of showing a little holiday spirit. hurry before the offer ends january 4th. hi, i just switched jobs, and i want
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on health reform, there is in congress a de facto kill the bill caucus. we call it the kill the bill caucus or actually kill bill caucus for short. not because it saves that much time in saying it but because it really annoys our executive producer, whose name is bill wolfe and he doesn't like anybody saying kill bill. charter members of the caucus include of course almost every
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single one of the 217 republicans in the house and senate. like, for example, republican senator jim demint of south carolina, who made his kill the bill intentions abundantly clear from the very outset. mr. demint's charter companion in the house, in terms of admitting the dream of unified party line opposition to health reform is republican whip eric cantor of virginia. >> i will guarantee you that we are committed to making sure that not one republican will vote for this bill. >> republicans had no ambiguity about this from the very beginning. they knew they were in the kill bill caucus. from even before it was cool. and they knew their strategy was to slow the whole thing down, stop the momentum, get the thing sputtering and stalled so they could have a chance of killing
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it altogether. >> this is too important to be rushed. we need to take our time and do it right. >> this doesn't take effect for four years, matt. we don't need to pass it in two weeks. >> the president and some democrats insist we must rush this plan through. >> what's the rush here? unified republican opposition has not been about coming up with a policy they would feel more comfortable voting for. it has pretty clearly been about stopping president obama's number one domestic priority. it's just basic political combat. it's totally understandable. deny the opponent a victory. in senator demint's phrasing, you don't help your political opponent accomplish something, even if it was good for the country. you deny them the ability to accomplish that thing, if you can. you make him look like a failure. you, as senator demint said, you break him. but the kill bill caucus also has senior members in it who are not republicans. they're members of the democratic caucus, like senators ben nelson of nebraska and joe
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lieberman of connecticut, both of whom say they are committed to health reform, but neither of whom have acted during this fight in a way that would suggest that that is true. you could tell that with ben nelson after he said back in mid-november that he'd be okay with the abortion language in the bill as long as the public option was taken out. now that the public option has been taken out, lo and behold, mr. nelson is still not okay with the abortion language. you can tell that with joe lieberman when you see his disregard of his own policy positions. supporting a medicare buy-in for, oh, say, nine years and then threatening to filibuster any final bill that includes that same thing. one way to understand senator lieberman's otherwise erratic and irrational behavior over health reform is that mr. lieberman has been shaping this bill to whims that are designed not to get any particular policy that he is in favor of but, rather, to make the bill so conservative that liberals will turn against it. remember that after supporting the medicare buy-in for nine
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years, senator lieberman admitted that he decided to hate the idea this year in part because he heard that liberal democratic congressman anthony weiner liked the idea. senator lieberman has used his threat to kill the bill by filibuster to change the policies within the bill into something many liberals say they can no longer support. a strategy to kill the bill ultimately by cleaving off support from the left. in other words, exactly the position that we're in now. and now the kill bill caucus has some unlikely new members, like former vermont governor and democratic party chairman howard dean, influential blogger, marc yols moulitsas from daily kos. powerful leaders in the alf and cio and seiu taking a hard line on how bad the bill has become. liberals are having a hard time supporting this bill but not on political ground. they're having a hard time mostly on policy ground. a lot of liberals were convinced, for example, when candidate obama argued against
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an individual mandate, giving insurance companies millions of new customers without controls over what we, the people, would be made to pay for. i raised that issue with david axelrod as far back as early september of this year. i think part of the reason that progressives have imp pimbued t idea with such importance is there will be a mandate without serious reform, that attempts to regulate the insurance industry won't be effective. and when the president moves from his position during the campaign which is he was against individual mandates to being for individual mandates now, i think there is concern that regulations of the insurance industry won't make insurance less junkie, less resentmented than it is now and we'll all be forced to buy something that isn't good that will pad insurance companies 'pockets. is there sequencing there? is there guarantee the reforms will work before individuals are
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forced to buy coverage? >> well, no individual is going to be forced to buy coverage in the sense that there's going to be a hardship exemption if they don't want to buy coverage. it's also a fact that when people don't buy coverage and then get sick or seriously injured, then it is a burden for the rest of us. >> that policy discussion happening more than three months ago. by and large, liberal concerns about the policies of this bill have remained relatively consistent. and as the policies have become less liberal in the bill, liberal opposition to the bill on policy grounds has grown. it just so has that politically that puts liberals in a big uncomfortable yellow kill bill jump suit with people opposing the bill on totally different ground. what we've ended up with is the biggest weirdest tent ever. kill bill caucus finding a marriage of inconvenience between people like howard dean, a great progressive champion and john mccain who today said this
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about governor dean. >> if you live long enough, all things can happen. i now find myself in complete agreement with dr. howard dean, who says that we should stop this bill in its tracks, we should go back to the beginning and have an overall bipartisan agreement. dr. dean, i am with you. >> he almost held in the chortle there, almost. we have now got a marriage not only between ykt and howard dean. we've got a marriage between people like howard dean and conservative republican senator jon cornyn of texas who tells "the rachel maddow show" tonight -- there's aprincipled fight happening now in progressive circles with policy wonks like ezra klein having a back and
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forth between labor leaders and other progressive voices. there are big difficult questions being asked in harsh terms sometimes about whether or not this bill is worth progressives still supporting it. the political question, though, to ask about that fight, is whether or not this revolt on the left is just going to have the effect of killing the bill or whether this revolt on the left really could make the bill better and then get it passed. joining us now is eugene robinson, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor for "the washington post." he's also an msnbc political analyst. xwen, nice to see you. thanks very much for being here. >> great to be here, rachel, as long as you don't put my face on uma thurman's body. that would be so wrong on so many different levels. >> if i do, i'll use the gene robinson doll that i have. i won't just do it two dimensional. you don't mind that, do you? the worry is that this fight on the left means that a bill won't pass, that this will interrupt the chances of health reform passing at all.
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is it possible, though, that the fight on the left actually improves the policies in the bill and we're still in a position to pass something? is that possible? >> well, i suppose it's possible. theoretically. i, i, i guess i don't see exactly how that happens, rachel. because the entire movement, the sweep of movement on this thing has been to the right, has been away from a policy positions that are near and dear to liberals. and i'm not sure why it would suddenly turn on a dime and start moving back in the other direction. i thought that might have happened, for example, when the public option looked like it was going to be replaced by the medicare buy-in. and that looked like, well, that's kind of an interesting idea, and, gee, maybe that would work. but it turns out the answer is none of the above. so -- i'm not -- i'm not overly optimistic that it's going to
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move in what, frankly, i would consider a positive direction. but it does put liberals in a difficult position and, for me, at least, you have to ask the question, if what comes out in the end is a terribly flawed attenuated, weakened bill that doesn't really control the insurance companies or what they're charging or how they're acting but that does cover 30 million people who are not covered now and may make it so that medical costs are not the number one cause of bankruptcy in the country and people aren't relying on emergency rooms so much for their medical care and all the scandalous things that happen now, faced with that bill from scratch, would you not vote for that? and i think that's the question that a lot of people are going to have to ask themselves. >> i think, though, the reason that -- either subconsciously or consciously is motivating a lot
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of the revolt on the left is not just frustration with how far policies have drifted but the fact that, as you say, they have only drifted rightward. it seems like all of the political leverage has been among conservatives. republicans as a bloc voting no. conservative democrats deciding that they can get anything that they want out of it. and at least in the case of joe lieberman and the medicare buy-in, seeming to choose a policy position purely on what might make liberals mad. and so being obstinate has really worked on the right. and i'm wondering if there's a calculation here that maybe liberals should try being object stint, too. maybe that could win some concessions. >> well, but -- but the problem is that you need 60 votes and you're going to get zero republican votes. >> right. >> you're going to get absolutely zero. so you've got to keep all 60 democrats. soy the people who have the leverage are the democrats on the right who say, you know, i might just vote with the republicans if you don't give me what i want. and what they want is for the
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bill to move more to the right than to the left. so you move it to the left to satisfy bernie sanders, and then you've got another ten demand from joe lieberman and ben nelson, and you've got some from mary lan drew. maybe you can take care of mary land rue with another $300 million. but that's the dynamic and that's the way i continue to see it play out. short of some sort of intervention by the president and the majority leader and i'm not quite sure what they do at this point. i think they're going to be trying to kind of hold the battlements basically where things are now and try to get it through. >> briefly, gene, do you think that delay equals defeat? we saw ben nelson today questioning the christmas deadline. certainly the white house wanted this done in aug and we're heading into christmas right now. the longer it drags on, do the
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chances of it passing get less? >> you know, i think -- i still think the chance of a bill passing and being signed by the president are extremely high. the bill, however, gets less and less attractive from myview as time goes on. that's the problem with the length of time. but i think the next obvious deadline is the state of the union speech. i think if they don't make that one, they keep pushing ahead until they get something he can sign. so i don't think it becomes, in the absolute sense, less likely. i think a bill that -- that is really good, sound, innovative policy becomes less likely. >> on the plus side, i guess, silver lining could be there might be more prayer casts for me to cover if it took a really long time. >> yes, yes. am i now at the end of myself like michele bachmann or just the end of my segment? >> yes. you are standing in for yourself, as she said.
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if you have satellite tv, you have a little dish on your roof and you pay some number
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that ends in $9.99 every month for satellite service. all your games and shows and music are beamed down to your apartment or house from a friendly little satellite in the house. but if you're $29.99 or $49.99 a month isn't buying enough, if you want, for example, to be able to see what your neighbors are getting beamed down to them, then you can try some vaguely dodgy seeming russian software called skygrabber. according to skygrabber inadvertently funny, maybe inadvertently interpreted -- the software costs about $26. this is sort of our hoopdy mock-up of the setup we're talking about courtesy of the creative folks in our props department. laptop, fake satellite dish. assume we've loaded up the sky grabber software. we just point that dish up at the sky. and as the website says,
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skygrabber makes your life more exciting and interesting. neat, right? and it's a lot more besides just neat, it turns out. because insurgents in iraq and afghanistan and, i'm guessing pakistan, are using a rig basically as fancy as this to grab stuff like this, live video feeds from unmanned predator drones. predator drones that are looking supposedly for them. but with $26 worth of software, the people, the fbi and cia are hunting can see everything the military and cia see. and if you're one step ahead of me here, they can see it with sky grabber because the video feeds coming off the predator drones are not enscripted. military surveillance footage not encysted. the story first reported today in "the wall street journal" but turns out the military knew that it was vulnerable to hackers as long ago as the bosnian war back
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in the '90s. according to the journal today, the pentagon assumed local adversaries wouldn't know how to exploit it. the pentagon appeared to have gotten that one down. "the journal" reporting today that the u.s. military apprehended a shiite militant in iraq last year and found files full of intercepted drone feeds on his laptop, then in july found more pirated videos on more laptops and concluded they had a problem on their hands. our next guest calls this the worst security breach that's become known in years. although the military says it's working on a fix, there's apparently going to be a lot more to work on. the u.s. air force reportedly in the process of buying as many as 375 reaper drones, a faster, more souped-up version of the predator at a cost of about $10 million or $12 million a pop. and the reaper, the new and improved model just coming online now? same vulnerability. ugh. joining us now is noah schachtman, contributing editor
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of wired magazine and editor of's danger room blog. thanks for coming in. let me ask you first if i got the basics of this right. it's really this easy for anybody to like see through the eyes of these aircraft? >> well, there's probably a little bit more to the pointing of the satellite and might be a little bit more software involved. but in some ways it's actually more the scenario you've described is more difficult because actually that directv signal where you get all your channels from, that signal is encyst encysted. so it might actually be harder to steal directv than to steal the drone footage. >> is the issue encryption? because the reason it seems hard to believe it's encryption because it seems like an easy thing to fix. is there a downside to encryption tactically that makes this harder to fix than it seems? >> basically what was going on is everybody wanted to get more and more drones into the field during the beginning of the afghanistan war, through the beginning of the iraq war and as
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the -- both wars have continued. so you want to get more and more drone feeds down to the troops on the ground. the way they've done it is with terminals called rovers basically beaming that satellite footage down to your laptop. in order to crank these things out quick, they decided not to encrypt them because they were using a lot of commercial software. >> can encryption be put on this as an aftermarket effect at this point? >> you can load on some new encysted transmitters and i think those new reapers will come with encysted transmitters. but the thing is, until all the receivers are encysted, too, and there's thousands of them, it won't work out. so it may take years to work out this probable lex. >> so locking it up is easier than unlocking it? or at least there are more transceiver than transponders so it will be hard to make sure people can read encrypted transmissions at least for the troops in the field? that's the problem.
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you can change the technology on one side easier than you can change the technology on the other? >> correct. >> doesn't it seem to be the sort of thing to be solved involving darpa and balloons and $10,000? >> you would think. you would think. the really kind of ridiculous part is like for me to go to creech air force base where they fly these drones out of in nevada i had to sign all these waivers, get a secret security clearance for a couple of days, go through big, thick doors with big, thick guards, into rooms where there are flashing lights saying, oh, scary civilian here. and i couldn't take pictures of the footage or anything like that. but then -- >> you could have sat in your car in the parking lot with rabbit ears and a 1995 mac and watched what they were doing. >> that's right. it's kind of like they bolted shut the front door but left the back door wide open. >> i know that you did follow-up reporting on this today. you think this problem applies to more than just drones? this is all surveillance we're doing with aircraft? >> yeah. in fact, drones are the tip of
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the iceberg. the hundreds of planes that are flying, regular manned aircraft flying over iraq and afghanistan every day, pretty much all of them appear to have the same problem, too, because those rover receivers are unencrypted. so if you want to send down to them you have to be unencimted, too. >> it's one thing to be able to see what the military and the cia can see. how big of a leap would it be before hackers could jam those video feeds or swap in false feeds of things that aren't really happening or look like that or even control the drone or crash the drone? >> swapping in false feeds, that's a pretty serious technology any cal leap and controlling the drone is like three or four leaps more because those signals actually go in a very particular direction whereas a lot of the feeds go in every direction. that's why you can pick it up. >> okay. thank you. noah schachtman of's danger room blog and someone who apparently makes me smarter every time i talk to you.
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for weeks now oklahoma senator james mountain inhover has announced to one and off he would travel to copenhagen to the climate change summit and would travel with a truth squad, then give the assembled egg heads a big piece of his mind. turns out he talks like a mountain but acts like a mole hill. details of his not really all that big trip next. it's good to be rewarded for your purchases. happily, membership rewards points from arican express can be used for over a million things you want... and experiences you'll never forget. and because points don't expire you cakeep them to use whever you like. can your card say that? cartoons duringch hoops your big meeting, and breaking news when it breaks. watch real tv whenever you want.
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coming up on "countdown," keith is joined by bernie sanders. still ahead on this show, what a country does when its massive supply of valuable bird poop runs out. our first ever moment of geopolitical geek. plus, christmas, health reform and chuck norris, a recipe for success all coming up. first, a few holy mackerel stories. president obama is on air force one on his way to copenhagen. house speaker nancy pelosi and 20 other members of congress arrived there earlier today. secretary of state hillary clinton spoke there yesterday pledging a bunch of money to save the rain forests and help
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developing countries be part of the effort to stop boiling the earth. but with all the americans heading to the big summit it was the promise or maybe the threat of oklahoma republican senator james inhofe's trip too copenhagen that promised the most excitement. senator inhofe said months ago he intended to lead a truth squad to copenhagen to try to undermine negotiations by the president of the united states to try to fix the problem of global warming, a problem with senator inhofe and his truth squad denies the existence of. zbluf got senator inhofe, senator barrasso of oklahoma and the secret person later revealed to be mississippi republican anonymous senator roger wicker, the james inhofe truth squad. like the mod squad if peggy
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lipton thought the justice system was the greatest hoax on the american people. when all the big wigs arrived in denmark, the inhofe truth squad was nowhere to be found. we confirmed with the senate committee on environment on public works that the truth squad denialist congressional delegation with inhofe and wicker got canceled and senator inhofe apparently traveled there with just one single staffer, which is not really much of a squad. once in copenhagen, senator inhofe did not have any meetings, nor did he lead any fact-finding missions but he did have one super fun press conference in the three total hours he spent on the ground before turning around and going home again. senator inhofe's truth squad may have been a bit of a bust. but at least he doesn't have the additional stress of worrying about the carbon footprint of his 18 hours of flying time to go make his lonely little one-staffer, no truth squad, no meetings point. next up, congressman jim
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traficant, democrat from ohio became former congressman traficant when he and his famous hair were expelled from congress and he was convicted of bribery, racketeering, tax evasion and obstruction of justice in 2002. james traficant went to prison. he was released this past september. and if you expected him to lay low, now is the time when i remind you about that hair. this is the hair of a man who is only the second person to be expelled from congress since the civil war. does this look like a man -- does this look like the hair of a man who is going to retire into ex-con obscurity? exactly. okay. today congressman traficant had a press rally/press conference/fund-raiser in youngstown, ohio. 1200 people showed up, paying 20 bucks a pop to see the man, the myth, the legend. mr. traficant at his press conference announced he's circulating nominating positions in three house districts because he wants and intends to run for
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congress again. he's also not ruling out the possibility, he said, of running for president. to raise funds the former ohio congressman is auctioning off three oil paintings he did in jail. the paintings are of a horse, of betty boop and, naturally, of elvis. naturally. finally, if all you want for chris quanz hanukkah. we have found one based in bristol, england. this is pretty great but comes with a warning. if you think you might be uncomfortable seeing santa claus having his constitutional rights violated now might be a good time to mixup a quick cocktail. >> they're interrogating him now.
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>> i have the power to give you a deal signed by the president of the united states that grants you immunity from past and present crimes. what are you doing in this country? >> delivering packages. >> how long have you been planning this operation? >> how long? it takes all year. >> all this planning for one day? >> it's my job. it's what i do. look. i know how it looks. the beard, the packages, flying without a passport, but i'm santa. >> yeah? prove it. >> the red suit, jingly bells. >> give me the names. >> dasher, dancer, pranlser, vixen -- >> you're wasting my time! give me a name. >> they are the real names. >> the first thing i'll do is take out your right eye, then take out your left. then i'm going to cut into your
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head and get the information that i need. i understand me. >> think about what you're doing. no present for you this year. >> i don't believe you. you don't understand a thing about me. >> you are on the naughty list now, jeff. the naughty list. >> you son of a [ bleep ]. . >> oh, jack. merry christmas. >> a rebel christmas card santa claus will reportedly be transferred to thomson correctional center in illinois by next winter or next fall. no longer considered a flight risk since his reindeer put under surveillance by reaper
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for south carolina governor mark sanford, this week's news may be as good as it's going to get for a while. a south carolina house committee found yesterday governor sanford had not committed serious misconduct in june when he ran off to argentina to visit his mistress, leaving his wife, his aides and his entire state and us to believe he was hiking in the appalachian trail. instead of impeaching sanford on any of 37 possible ethics charges, the house committee voted to censure him, saying the governor had brought, quote -- and that's a sign of when things are truly gone para-shaped in your life when that is a good news day in politics. etwork lets you do that. verizon's doesn't. actually, you can talk on the phone and surf the web with verizon...
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tonight our first ever moment of gee owe political geek. it is about pop. and i would not just use that word fete forically. when when john mccain said we are all from georgia now? because he was like hey, why not and mccain lost the election?
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as part of russia's ongoing effort to constantly stick it to georgia when ever they can, russia wants two places to become independent countries. russia is not having very much luck with that project. only three countries including russia had gone along with these little places. then all of the sudden on tuesday, a fourth nation recognized him. it's a nation called nauru. it is eight square miles, an eighth of the size of manhattan. why would they care about the national bid on the other side of the world? money. a need for money, related to the
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aformentioned poop. it made billions of dollars by mining the island's one resource, phosphate. where did it come from? fossilized bird pop. by the end of the last century the bird pop had been all exhausted. fresh is not the same. it has to be fossilized. those years did not last. lost $30 million in a prime bank notes scam. they lost another $60 million to embezzlement. millions more lost property ventures. then the brilliant idea to get rich again in a london musical based on the life of leonardo i
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divinci. it was a flop. low on luck, low on fossilized poop, now they served a a money laundering site. because china said they would pay them $130 million if they did that. now a new scam on tuesday. established dip lotmatic ties with akazia for $50 million from russia. but that's not all. on wednesday, they added a second one to recognize the other place that russia wanted recognized. how much did recognizing that second country cost russia?
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nothing. still only gets $50 million. which means now we have charged russia $50 million to recognize them and they charge them nothing. two for the price of one, which means they did not drive a particularly hard bargain. no wonder their economy is in such a bad shape. but who are we to judge, really? foreign policy for profit but apparently it is nothing compared to the terrible economic consequences of running out of pop. ( music playing ) hey! announcer: you don't drive every time you smoke.
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>> there is one conservative voice we have not heard from and i am a little scared if we don't hear from him. >> just when we thought that health reform hypebole. a muscular smack down on foun note the timely holiday theme. i wonder, what would have happened if mother mary had been covered by obama care? what if that young, poor and uninsured teen age mother had been provided the care to avoid the imagine all the great souls who
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could have been erased from history and the influence of mankind if their parents had been as progressive as washington's wise men and women. will obamacare morph into rarrod care? oh right that is what brought down the socialist roman empire. let's say it had a strong public option, mother mary would have had the baby jesus in a hospital, not a barn. >> the whole argument rests on the idea is if we only still had stoning for abortion. >> run away. >> if we didn't have them we would make them up. thank you for watching. we will see you again tomorrow. you can e-mail us.
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hardball is next. good night. >> let's play hardball. good evening. to be or not to be. that was hamlet's question. and tonight, hamlet is a democrat. to fight for the health care bill, or let it die. some who haven't been elected to govern would rather go home and pray for next year. most of the elected, the vast majority of the elected liberals, want to go for the gold, grab what victory is attainable and build on it in the future. you know where i stand. if you accept the role of governing in this country, you accept the role of doing your best. you don't quit, like sarah palin, or sit in the back seat and complain like some are doing today on the left. you drive the damn car. one of the guys who's sitting in
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the front seat, david axelrod, will join us in a minute. plus, what peggy noonan told david axelrod rod this morning about health care can be aflitted principle in general. he's losing the left, some of it, losing the right and center. could it be he's losing those people because he believes it's the job of leaders to lead and to take the heat. how do you fight this fight with the public angry at both the democrats and republicans? who's got the moxie to make the best of it. save as many seats as you can if you're a democrat. we'll get that from the strategists tonight. also tonight, when our pollsters asked what political figures over the past decade do you respect the least, who do you think came out on top? wll, here's a hint. they'll go down in history together. go down. ca


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